|Riding Style||All Mountain|
|Riding Level||Intermediate - Expert|
|Fits Boot size (US)||8-10, 10-12|
|Camber Profile||Hybrid Camber|
|Approx. Weight||Feels Normal|
|On Snow Feel|
Jones Mountain Twin 2018 - 2011 Review by The Good Ride
The Jones Mountain Twin has been and still is one of our top recommendations when it comes to a do it all snowboard. It doesn’t stand out in any one category but it’s got a consistency underfoot in any condition or terrain that we have found hard for other boards to duplicate. This is a very close second to the Jones Ultra Mountain Twin and if you are looking for a little softer flex then this could for sure work.
On Snow Review to come……
Jones Mountain Twin Past Reviews
There isn’t much difference in terms of ride between the 2015 and 2016 Jones Mountain Twin in terms of ride so the 15 review stands pretty much the same. Just some very minor tweaks. There are more sizes though.
2015 and 2016 Jones Mountain Twin Review
** The 2015 Jones Mountain Twin is not centered. The product brochure had a typo. It’s still set back like it’s been for years now **
The 2015 Jones Mountain Twin is very much like the 2014 except it has a lighter more lively core. It’s still pretty much the same ride but just pops a little better on an ollie and springs out of a turn a little better. Also the tip and tail seem to chatter a little less than previous models. It’s just another improvement on the existing ride. Never the less here is our take on how the 15’s lighter core played on snow compared to the 2014 and 2013 models.
Conditions: Really good snow, some lighter left over rockies powdwer, some left over sierra powder along with hard snow slowly changing to slush over the day.
Riders: James, Jimbo, Peter, Mary, Kristi,
Boots: Burton SLX, Burton Fiend LTD, Salomon F3.0, Burton Fiend, Burton Ion, Salomon Synapse
Bindings: Burton Cartel, Burton Genesis, Burton Diode, Flux SF, Flux DS, Flux TT, Union Factory, Union Contact Pro, Salomon Hologram, Salomon Defender
Set Up: Guys- Centered approx 23″ wide 15 front -15 back Girls- Set Back 10 mm 15 front -6 back.
Approximate Weight: The 2015 Jones Mountain Twin 157 weighed in at 6.0 lbs which is .4 lbs lighter than the 2014. Now this is just a comparison between my board from last year and my board from this year. Wood Cores vary in weight so your board could weigh less or more.
On Snow Feel: The personality of the board never changes from powder to ice or from peak to jib park. You always know exactly what you are going to feel under foot. Many boards personalities change acording to the conditions but the Jones Mountain Twin does not and that’s hard to do in this hybrid world of snowboards. Usually they excel in one condition but falter in another but not this ride. This is why it’s always one of our top recommendations for those looking for a one board quiver. It’s got the stability of camber and the catch free feel of rocker. It’s an easy ride one footing off a chair or flat basing on a long flat run. It’s a forgiving board that applies to a wide variety of riding styles. It’s the kind of board that can butter, carve, ollie, ride switch all over the mountain. It can also stop in the pipe and jump park no problem as well as hit some mellow jibs. There are no surprises
So just to get a little into the tech the Jones Mountain Twin has about a 50/50 camber rocker combo and a set back camber so there is more rocker in the nose than the tail. Also the nose length is longer than the tail length. Then with a set back of -20mm its kind of a stretch for Jones to call this a twin. I’d actually like to see them call this the Jones All Mountain. This design hasn’t changed since 2013 and it’s the same great on snow feel.
Turn Initiation: Same middle ground turn initiation that isn’t instantaneous but isn’t hard either. Maybe it’s the mellow magnetraction bump in the middle but it just doesn’t snap edge to edge super quick. Still turns are fun on all radius levels.
Flex: This year the flex is a little bit more stiff in the tip and tail but it seems about the same in the middle. Still it’s easy to butter. I would disagree with the 7 out of 10 flex and say it feels a little more on the medium side instead of med/stiff.
Edge Hold: A step below magnetraction for sure. The mellow mag has no grab in powder or soft snow which this board excels in and it holds pretty well in hard conditions. I wouldn’t call it an ice specialist though. It’s the kind of edge hold that I really like because it performs well in just about any condition the average rider wants to ride.
Powder: Every Jones board knows the importance of easy float in powder and the more powder days I get the more I appreciate the Jones Mountain Twin. I’d say my only complaint with the Mtn Twin is the turn initiation is not that fast in tighter tree situations. I’d love to see them make it a little faster edge to edge. Other than that the Jones Mountain Twin floats almost as well or almost as well as many dedicated powder boards. It stays above the snow well even when it’s centered. It’s -20mm set back on the effective edge but more like -38 mm (1.5″) set back on the board. That combined with the directional rocker and larger nose it floats really easy when set all the way back. So when set all the way back with an approximately 22.75″ stance width I’m 3.5″ back on board which is pretty far. This is a stand out when it comes to powder riding compared to most all mountain boards out there.
Carving: It’s not a dedicated carver but it’s got some good qualities. The extra rocker in the nose takes away some camber from the profile that could of made it a better carver but then you sacrifice some float in powder. Again it’s all about compromising with a one quiver board and I think most prefer the extra float in powder. I’m probably in the minority by saying that I’d like to see the camber extended a bit to lock in and spring out of the turn better. I love that it has more camber than the older Nidecker made model but over the years of riding this board I’m kind of wanting a little more these days. So basically it’s got about as good carving ability as you can get for the amount of float you get in powder. With a strong lean I can lay a driving carve back up hill and have fun doing it. I’ve found that carving is better with the Twin when you set back the stance so it’s centered over the set back camber so if you don’t ride switch much set it back a bit.
Speed: There is a bit of improvement when it comes to speed and the nose/tail doesn’t chatter as much as it use to from 2013 and even 2014. The base when waxed still has a great glide that holds it’s speed for a long ride. I find myself passing people left and right on long flat cat tracks. I don’t worry about making it through the flats but I do worry about weaving in and out around slower skiiers and riders when I’m on this board.
Uneven Terrain: With a little extra work it can weave in and out through bumps but it’s not a specialist here. Dealing with small inconsistent groomers is easy. The Jones isn’t a chunder buster but its pretty good passing through a tracked out snow line without getting messy or bucking you.
Switch: Now as I mentioned before the Jones Mountain Twin has a lot of directional tech with this board that makes it less than perfect to ride switch when centered. However it still is a very easy board to get to know riding the other direction. I mainly ride this board centered but even when it’s a little set back to get more centered over the camber it’s easy to ride switch.
Jumps: The new core gave a decent improvement to the pop this year when it comes to an ollie but it’s still not a pop master. Hitting kickers is very predictable and stable. It’s easy on approach and forgiving on the landing.
Jibbing: This is probably the weakest part of the ride but it’s not that bad either. I’ve had no problem on more mellow entry level boxes and bonks but it’s not something I’d like to ride on more technical advanced jibs. As the board softens up as it’s ridden more jibs do get easier.
Pipe: One of those boards that’s forgiving, has solid edge hold and drives well from wall to wall. It’s not perfect but it’s really fun for all but the super technical go massively big riders. You can easily spend a whole day lapping the pipe with the Jones.
So other than the slightly slow turn initiation I’d say that this is a board that can make the average rider (like us) happy just about any where on the mountain. This is about as close as a board can get to being a quiver of one. It’s one of those boards that can wear many hats on the mountain. If I can only take one board on a road trip this would be it.
Jones Mountain Twin 2014-2013 Review
The 2014 Jones Mountain Twin is very much a continuation of the 2013 model so the 2013 and 2014 review is pretty much the same..
The 2013 Jones Mountain Twin is a lot different than the 2011 and 2012 models. They had a centered stance and a very small camber between the feet that ended before the binding inserts. It’s an extended camber profile and set back the stance -20mm. It’s now just barely a directional twin but a much better All Mountain Ride. In addition the build quality is much better than the older models.
2013 Model Size 160 and 157
2014 Model 157, 160 and 160W
Conditions: Pretty much everything from 2+ feet of powder to ice.
Riders: James, Jimbo, Peter, Kyle, Stephen, Mary, Lee and a few other friends not on the site. I think we have about 8-10 friends of The Good Ride try this board.
Bindings: Now IPO, Now Drive, Now Select, Burton Cartel, Burton Cartel Limited, Burton Diode, Union Force, Flux DMCC, Flux SF45,Burton Genesis, Union SL, Union Atlas, Union Contact Pro and a few others.
Boots: Burton Ion, Burton SLX, Burton Imperial, Nike Kaiju, DC Judge, Nike Zoom Ites, Burton Ambush, Burton Ruler, Salomon Synapse
Stance– 23 in wide 12 -12 centered. 23 in wide 18 -9. 22.5 in wide 15 -15. 23 in wide 18 -3. We have tried many more too depending on conditions, riding styles and moods. Centered for more all mountain freestyle riding and directional for powder or more directional all mountain riding. Basically this board is very versatile.
You always compromise when choosing one board for everything but this is one of the best one board solutions we have come across. We lost the YES Big City but gained an updated version in the 2013 Jones Mountain Twin.
We all love the more pronounced camber upgrade along with the set back of -20mm. The camber ends at about the the last binding inserts giving the Jones Mountain Twin a whole new feel. Before the camber ended before the first binding inserts on the inside. It will be recommendable for a much wider range of riders than the previous years models. This is now a better extra camber version of the now discontinued Yes Big City and will appeal to a wide variety of riders looking for a one board solution. No one had a bad thing to say about this board and everyone wanted it. Needless to say it was the unanimous favorite in the All Mountain Category.
Size 157 Weight: 6.4 lbs
On Snow Feel: The extra camber adds some stability but it still doesn’t feel catchy. If you live to ride groomers and stay mostly on the mountain the New Jones Mountain Twin will make you very happy. It has multiple personalities as well. With a centered stance the Jones can act like a great all mountain freestyle board. With the stance set a little bit back it can be an all mountain directional carver. With the stance set all the way back it can be a pretty good very easy floating powder board. So it’s pretty versatile and does a better job of applying the very bold name of “all mountain” to this board. It’s got a very diverse personality that can fit a wide range of riders and it does everything very well.
Powder: The -20mm setback is now identical to the now discontinued YES Big City so it will be a little short of borderline excellent and do a great job in powder. Even with the added camber the board will be easy to negotiate between trees and excellent on a narrow chute that might require tight turning. This is about as good as you can get for a directional twin. The YES Optimistic was probably the only other Directional Twin shape that did better in powder but that was only because it had a bigger set back.
Turn initiation and Carving- The turn initiation is a little more work than the older version mainly due to more camber between the feet. It felt like a little bit of work to make quick edge to edge turns but you are working harder than you would with the older version. Most of us actually liked that. It eliminated the loose feel you can have with the older Jones All Mountain Twin. Carving was fun on the old jones but the added camber of the 2013 and 2014 Jones makes it much more fun to carve and it’s one of it’s better qualities.
Speed: The Jones Mountain Twin 2014-2013 is great at almost any speed. If you were to compare this to other all mountain boards with a similar flex and base it would be excellent. However if you compare this to something like the Jones Flagship it’s going to come up a short. That’s why this has a rating of great instead of excellent. The 2013 Base is one of the fastest bases we came across and if well waxed can glide through almost any extended flat area without issue. All of us who rode it found us passing everyone on long flat cat tracks. The only thing that keeps it from being excellent is the flex. It’s a little bit chattery in the tip and tail when you are bombing but you get use to it pretty quick.
Uneven Terrain: It’s medium flex and somewhat forgiving nature so it can handle bumpy end of the day snow rather well. With a good set of bindings it will not pass up too much shock back to your feet if you have to go through Bumps or end of the day groomers with snow all sprayed around . It’s still not fun but it’s more bearable. It’s also not bad if you have to deal with icy off piste kind of snow that you might find on the way to a powder stash or on a slack country adventure.
Approximate Weight– Feels pretty normal or just a shade on the light side of normal. Jones pushes the environmental thing and tries to work with less toxic and more sustainable materials and it’s still pretty light.
Edge Hold: The Jones Mountain Twin in our opinion has just the right amount of edge hold. It inspires confidence in harder conditions and acts just like a regular old school side cut in soft snow which means it doesn’t grip. The 2013 is also a slight improvement over the 2011 and 2012 models because of the added camber. If you ride in icy conditions a lot it can hang but you would probably want something stronger like an aggressive magnetraction board. For the rider who rides in hard to soft and only occasional ice you will be more than happy with the edge hold.
Flex: It’s a medium flex and it sits right in the middle of medium. Still the ride of the board feels a little more aggressive than it’s flex. Not a lot but a little. It’s nowhere near as easy to jib or butter around as some of the other more freestyle focused hybrid camber boards like the YES Jackpot or even the old Jones Mtn Twin but it isn’t bad for a board that focuses more on carving and mountain riding. It’s much easier to butter than a camber board of this flex due to the rocker at the tip and tail.
Switch: If you want to center up the stance and ride switch it’s still a directional twin that will almost ride like a true twin. Because of the set back stance it won’t be as easy as the older models but it’s still pretty close.
Jibs– Probably one of the only areas where it doesn’t do very well. You can have fun on little bonks and such but it’s no technical rail/jib board.
Pipe: It’s a great pipe board. The added camber makes it carve up the pipe wall better than the older model. If you keep the edges sharp the Mountain Twin would be a great dedicated pipe board.
Jumps: Much better pop than the old design. Much more fun to ollie and about the same on the roller coaster line in the park. It’s a shade less forgiving than the older model but still a great time.
2012-2011 Jones Mountain Twin Review
The Jones Mountain Twin 2012-2011 is a pretty fun ride that many of us here at The Good Ride really enjoy.
2011-2012 Size 159.
2012 and 2011 Jones All Mountain Twin Review
Groomers– The Jones Twin is a good all conditions groomer board and works well for a directional twin. It has many similarities to the YES The Basic but it’s a step up in tech and performance. The Jones Twin is pretty loose and playful but when you want to step it up and make some more directional groomer riding it does a great job.
Powder: The Jones Twin is not going to have the float that the Yes Big City does but it floats very well for a directional twin without a set back. There seems to be more rocker in the nose/tail than many other mostly rocker hybrid twins or directional twins with a centered stance out there. Still this is going to be a fun ride in powder.
Turn Initiation and Carving: The Jones Mountain Twin is very fun to make short radius turns. The hybrid camber under the feet makes for a very lively easy to turn board. If you are new to hybrid camber it will take a bit of getting use to but after a few runs it will be really fun. When it comes to long radius turns the Jones is almost as fun. When it comes to carving it’s really good for a board that looks like it’s almost a continuous rocker board. It’s not going to carve like a camber board but it’s pretty close.
Speed: Pretty fast. The Jones Mountain Twin’s base is pretty fast and the board is pretty damp. It’s nothing like it’s bigger brother the Jones Flagship or it’s cousin the Yes Big City but it does a good job with most speed. There is little to no chatter when you pick up speed either. This is no freeride board built for speed but it’s very good for its shape and riding style. You can straightline most runs at moderate to high speeds with confidence and the way it rides won’t sketch you out.
Weight– The Jones Mountin Twin is not terribly heavy but definitely more on the light side of things.
Edge Hold: We like the mellow magnetraction that comes with the Jones Snowboards. Unlike normal Magnetraction this is hardly noticeable unless you look close. It has much more of a normal snowboard feel and isn’t over grippy but when you hit a hard patch it’s definitely helpful compared to a board without it. It’s like there is a long extension of the edge at the middle of the board and the rest is almost un-noticable. The more we ride this board the more it feels like the edge hold is good but closer to the excellent side of good.
Flex: This has a medium flex but it still has a very playful buttery feel for how stiff it is. We were impressed with it’s ability to flex when you need it on the tip/tail. We’d say this is almost on the soft side of medium.
Switch: Felt more like a twin than a directional twin when riding switch. We did not notice a difference with the centered stance.
Rails and Jibbing– You can hit rails and go through the jib park but there are many better boards out there than the Jones Mountain Twin. That’s why it isn’t called the Jones Park Twin. Still this does a good job with most small to medium rails and makes for a good board if you occasionally like to hit the jib park. We’d say this is closer to the average side of good.
Pipe: Soo much fun in the pipe. The flex is perfect for the pipe. Not too stiff and not too soft. There is much more control between the feet, excellent edge hold and a good rocker shape after the bindings to make this a great pipe board. If you are all about lapping the pipe then the Jones Mountain Twin will do a good job for most riders out there. Well at least it did a great job for us.
Jumps: There is good pop and we found it pretty easy to generate our own air. It was also very easy to pop off natural terrain. We didn’t lap the roller coaster park but felt this could do a great job with just about any size kicker the average to good rider can tackle.
The Jones Mountain Twin didn’t out shine any of the other mostly rocker hybrid camber boards we tried but seemed to tie with them in terms of performance. The more we rode this the more we liked it. So in conclusion this is another excellent board from the Nidecker Umbrella that is Jones Snowboards.
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Solid All Mountain Board
James and Co. are once again completely accurate in their reviews. I love their work! Having Jim, Peter, etc. weigh in really helps round out all the reviews and it's much appreciated. Their insights are great at narrowing things down and I'm on The Good Ride's site all the time.
So, as they said, the Jones Mountain Twin is pretty good at most everything for those wanting a one board quiver. One area that it does excel for me compared to my other All Mountain boards I've had is in powder. It just floats so well. I'm 6'0"/175-180 lb.s with a size 10 Burton Amb boot. I went from a 158 to a 162 for the extra float. And it floats great! My first day on it was in a foot of powder here in Colorado and I was stoked! For the first time in my life I had zero rear leg burn. NONE. Pretty impressive. I can only imagine how the Hovercraft will do and I look forward to demoing one out down the road. On a side note, next year's Jones Mind Expander is being marketed as a combo of the Mountain Twin and Hovercraft. That will need to be demoed for sure. Hopefully, as was discussed at SIA here in Denver, more shops will have demo models available for those that can't make it to a brand's demo days at certain resorts.
Anyhow, I had been riding Never Summer rocker/camber boards for years and was looking for more stability and float and the Jones board has without question delivered.The ease of turning a rocker/camber board has been fun, but I started missing that stability. So, more camber in the central area with more rocker in nose/tail seemed to be the call. Being a long time surfer, it just makes sense that you need a smooth transition from camber underfoot to rocker in the nose for better float anyhow, Never Summer has addressed that well and I look forward to trying out some of their latest offerings like the Maverix. Yes, etc. have some very cool models too.
The standout qualities of this board are simply the awesome float and stability. It also carves well and I feel more comfortable riding switch. The float is good to the point that it can bail you out if your get off kilter landing an air.
What I'm surprised about is that having a great one board quiver is actually making me want to build a quiver as well. It's lit a spark and reinvigorated my riding. Right now I'm wanting a dedicated powder board for even more ease of float and a smaller, wider board for just playing around. Jeremy Jones has said that he looks at lower angle terrain differently with the Hovercraft because it carries so much speed with all that float. This points to having a specialized board for the conditions adding to the fun. So, I have a great general travel board when I can only have one and I look forward to trying more new boards as well.
I'm rattling on, but I hope this can be of help for those like me that were wanting some change. I love where the industry is at right now with all the experimentation with shorter sizes, more width, etc. and it's so cool that snowboarding is more open-minded now like the surfboard industry has been.
Thanks Good Ride!
North Lake Board, North Lake Rider, Fantastic Set-Up
First, a big thanks to Biesty for assistance in my purchase. I was on an old school Crap by Glissade that had served me well, but it was long past time to move on and get something new. James was a huge help via this site and over email as I navigated through the purchase process.
After considering Arbors, Capitas, and NS, I narrowed down to the Jones Mountain Twins (side note that James also recommended the Yes Optimistic, which i would have like to get a look at, but hadn't come out yet - still tough to find). I actually bought both the regular and Ultra as I wanted to see them side by side to determine flex and weight. Honestly, I could tell very little difference. The two I had delivered had a mere 3/10 of a pound difference, and the flex difference was negligible to me. Sad to say I'm vain enough that I picked the better looking board - the standard Mountain Twin. The graphic on the top coat blended with the rest of the board better (you could see where the graphic ended abruptly on the the Ultra), and the blue just looks cool. Saved ~$100, too.
I paired the board up with 2015 Burton Cartels, and 2015 Rome Inferno Boots - this turns out to be a very "all-around" set-up, which is what I need as it is the only one I have.
I've been out on the board in just about all conditions this season (we finally HAD a season in Tahoe this year), so I can speak to how it reacts in pow, on ice, fresh cords, hard pack, etc. It did well with ALL of it.
Powder - It floated way better than other boards I've been on, especially as it looks more like a freestyle board. A few buddies have Landlords and I didn't get the impression that they were helped by their boards any more than I was.
Ice - Granted, the board was essentially brand-new at the time, but the edge did a great job, and I felt that if you really laid into it, you had a ton of control.
Groomers - Nice, smooth and stable. I was out with one friend who was on Arbor A Frame 162, and my 160 kept pace.
I was a little more set-back on my last board than this one will allow, but I actually think that has worked to my benefit. I've already adjusted my rear foot to be more "duck" than I have before because I feel like this board allows an easier transition to switch and back. That's given me more flexibility, and has made a better rider.
While I definitely get the concept of having different boards for different days, I'm simply not there in terms of my ability to get on the mountain frequently enough for that to be a worthy endeavor. With that in mind, the Jones Mountain Twin is an ideal choice for me. Jeremy Jones, a local guy, does everything he can to be environmentally friendly...those are things I do what I can to support, so nice side benefit as well.
In short, if you're looking for a great all-around board in just about every condition that's environmentally-friendly and fantastic-looking, this is the one for you.
Thanks again, Biesty. Try to make it to the other side of the lake some time, will ya?
Got this board after doing a demo on it, and I immediately felt that this was the one. Hybrid camber with very mellow mag . The info on it states that it is a twin , people say it is set back , when I did all the measurements on it from contact point and centre of radius curve it is actually a twin with a lengthened nose by 25mm from the contact point
Been riding this board just a couple of days and love it. Fast, funny, and easy to turn. I'd love to had more camber under foot but still is really cool. You run the poster, park, off piste...
I think this board is good for all of it, or just try.
Also the Mag did a good job.
Hope this helps someone
After being a dedicated Custom camber fan forever I decided to delve into the new world of cam/rock. After a huge amount of time pouring over different brands and designs I settled on the Jones. I relate my decision to choosing my surfboards from a shaper who knows their stuff..... and believe me Mr Jones knows!!
This stick has been and still is amazing. It feels solid in any steeps and ice I've put it through. It carves groomers pretty darn well and handles deep Japanese pow effortlessly. Very very stoked with this board. So much that I bought a Jones Flagship to charge harder.
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Solid but Boring
I demo'd the Mountain Twin last year (Christmas 2013) and bought it because I liked the "old school" straight camber that allowed for nicely carved turns with a little pop coming out of the turns. And as advertised, this is an all purpose, all-mountain board...meaning if you travel for trips and only have one board to bring, this qualifies nicely. However, I got bored with it after two subsequent trips out west. If just has no personality - feels to me like driving a domestic mid-size rental from Hertz, rather than a BMW. It does everything well but nothing memorably well. I switched to the Arbor Coda and haven't looked back (see my Coda Review).
After a long time searching for a new all mtn board i decidet for the mountain twin and allready after my first ride i was convinced that i have made a good decision. I can only recomand this board ..
Best Board Decision I've Made
Just took my 2015 Mountain Twin out for a breaking in yesterday. After having ridden park boards, an old Rossi, and a few various brands, I took the plunge and bought the Twin. It's a decision I didn't regret.
It's been a slow start to the snow season, but we had 10 fresh inches of powder, so I put it through the test. Regardless of whether I was high-tailing down a groomer, playing in the park, gliding through trees, or plowing powder it was begging for more. I think the thing that I like most was how stable it was at high speed on every surface, and how it boogied around trees. With this board I'll easily be advanced, boarding on expert by the end of the season.
Great board, a little soft for me
Picked up the 2013 158w. Great board. First time with a hybrid profile and any type of magne-traction. Edge hold was fantastic. No problem in powder. Not the fastest board I've ever had, but plenty of speed for most riders. Cut through some thick trees without a problem. Besides the slight lack of speed, the board was a little too soft for me. It didn't have as much pop as I am used to when hitting ollies and kickers. This season I am going to try the Yes Pick Your Line.
I was initial nervous to try my 2014 154 Mountain Twin. Having never ridden a non-traditional-camber board before. It was love at first ride. It felt amazingly natural, carved just as nicely as my stiff camber, and was better in many ways (more pop, faster edge to edge, much more floaty in pow). This board has been a dream, and I have not regretted the purchase one bit. I did a ton of research before buying this, on TheGoodRide and elsewhere, and I think it was the right board for me.
(Paired with 2013 Burton Cartel bindings, and old ~2007 Burton Ion boots.)
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