The 2017 Yes Optimistic has been totally transformed. The 2016 Yes Optimistic lives on mostly in the remodeled 2017 Yes Standard and the 2017 has become a rather unique board. It’s hard to categorize it but it floats in powder like the best powder boards and carves up groomers really well. You could call it a powder board or a Freeride board or a Banked Slalom board and you wouldn’t be wrong. It does them all very well.
Conditions: Everything from a little over a foot of CO and Sierra powder to pretty hard snow.
Riders: James, Peter, Jimbo, Matt, Steph, Jack and a few others.
Boots:Burton Almighty, Burton SLX, Burton AMB, Burton Imperial, Burton Rover, Nike Lunarendore
Bindings: Union Atlas, Burton Cartel, Burton Genesis X, Now Drive, Now Pilot,
Set Up: 23″ wide and then multiple places on the board. 15 front -15 back and 15 front -6 back.
Approximate Weight: Feels normal bordering on light.
Flex: Medium stiff on snow and off.
On Snow Feel: Really stable and catch free between the feet. It feels like it’s locked in but without any catch. It’s a very directional ride that wants to carve tight turns and float in deep powder. It’s super short wide shape gives it a very surfy look but it has a very carve friendly groomer loving edge to edge drive. Usually these type of shapes disappoint on groomers but this doesn’t at all. You don’t even notice the minor taper and it only gets really surfy like a fat fish when it’s on top of powder. So it’s not like most of the short fatty’s out there these days.
Edge Hold: Really strong edge hold that is almost as good as Magnetraction and it’s a board that you can take out in hard to icy snow. That under bite tech in the Yes Optimistic really grips well but doesn’t grab in softer snow like it should.
Turn Initiation: So The Yes Optimistic is very interesting when it comes to turn initiation. It’s got a very deep side cut so even on a 26 cm waist the 154 turns well for my size 9 boot. I think it’s actually made for a size 10 boot but still it turned no problem. It wasn’t a fast turner but a tight turner if that makes sense. To elaborate it took a little bit of time to get the side cut to engage and once it does it engages into a pretty tight carvy turn. So it’s not quick edge to edge for quick side to side turns but when committed to the edge medium to wider radius turns seems to accelerate and make a tight fast turn. If you know the correct mechanics of turning it will tickle your taint. It’s the kind of board that is fun for riders who know the mechanics of turning well and like to turn all day. I’m excited to see how the 151 turns which is probably best for my boot size.
Skidded Turns: Kind of a slow skidded turner and it’s not super easy to throw the board around as you would think but it’s not catchy and doable if you get off your game.
Carving: Carving on the Optimistic is a lot better than I would of ever expected. It’s got a good amount of camber, combined with the edge hold tech and that super deep side cut makes it a unique carver. Also the wider width really allows you to lay it over. You would never think a short fatty like this would carve in such a tight circle. The sensation of laying it on to a rail is unique and all I wanted to do was carve on this board. We all loved how when on rail it accelerates giving it a great mid carve sensation. There is isn’t as much camber as other hybrid camber boards but it still it has enough to give it a good spring out of the turn. I’d like to see a little a little higher arc of camber but it’s still an excellent carver.
Speed: The Yes Optimistic can bomb but it’s not perfect. The big shovel nose can chatter a bit but it’s not a clown shoe mess.
Uneven Terrain: It’s pretty good in chunder and going over uneven snow. It can bend pretty well over stuff and doesn’t have an unforgiving feel. That being said it’s a very short wide board and especially so in the tip/tail. It’s not perfect weaving in and out of messy bumpy end of the day snow but it’s better than you would think. It’s not as nimble making quick turns as the PYL but it has a flex that allows for messy resort riding as long as there is a little separation between bumps. For Peter and I the 154 was a little slow with our 8.5 and 9 boots because it’s better with a size 10 but the 151 would be closer to the PYL for us.
Powder: The light CO powder was incredibly easy and we didn’t even notice it. The Sierra Powder was thick and the other boards I rode that day needed a bit more attention to the nose but the Yes Optimistic did it again and we didn’t even feel like we needed to even lean back. Didn’t even notice the powder in that way and we had that Hovercraft style ride where it just sit’s on top of the snow. One thing also to mention is YES says the board has a centered stance and yes it’s centered on effective edge but not on board. As you can see it’s set way back on board and with a 23″ stance width you can get back 7.75″ which is pretty far. We actually like the Yes Optimistic better than the 420 because it’s got better pop off the tail and in our opinion the same easy float.
Switch: Well it’s a lot better than you would think but it’s really tail light so when flipped around you really feel the difference weight wise. On edge it’s ok but it’s made for riders who prefer one direction a lot more than the other.
Pipe: I took it in the pipe. It held well and drove well from wall to wall but it’s pretty wide and not my type of pipe board. I’d much rather be on the Standard in the pipe because it’s not that easy to throw around.
Jumps: Nice pop off the tail and it’s a good board for directional mountain air but not a real spinner.
So over the years the Yes Optimistic has had a lot of re-designs as well as a few years even being out of commission. Who knows what other factors other than how it rides play into a board’s termination or continuation but the 2017 model is truly unique and we hope it sticks around.
The Yes Optimistic has been revived from the long dead and it has a strong but differen pulse. After a few turns it quickly won us over as one of the better one board quiver rides we encountered. It feels like the Optimistic was made for our specs and riding style.
2016 Yes Optimistic Snowboard Video Review
The Yes Optimistic was the second YES board I owned years ago when the site was younger. It was stiff, very set back and had a directional rocker similar to the older Yes Pick Your Line. As Yes evolved they added more boards to the line the Optimistic morphed into the Pick Your Line. Almost 5 years later they brought the Optimistic back. If any of you are familiar with the Old Optimistic it’s nothing like the old board are the major differences:
- The New Optimistic has camber that goes past the bindings where the old one had camber between the bindings. There is much more spring out of the turn and much more pop.
- The New Optimistic has their directional volume twin shape where the tail is the same width but the volume is less so the tail sinks more like a tapered board does. The Old Optimistic had a more traditional twinish to directional twin shape similar to the Jones Mountain Twin.
- The set back on the Old Optimistic was more like -20mm on the sidecut where the new has a -10mm setback on sidecut. However the set back on board with the new Optimistic is closer to -20mm and the setback on board with the old Optimistic was more like -25mm which is very similar to the Jones Mountain Twin at -20 on sidecut and about -25mm on board.
- The tip/tail are not as long where the nose was longer than the tail with the old optimistic. There is much more contact on the snow and the 158 rides much bigger on groomers than the old 159. This combined with less of a setback on sidecut you have a board with much more of a centered stance/all mountain freestyle feel on groomers.
- The new Optimistic has a much more dynamic lively feel to it that pops and butters much better.
So to sum up the differences they are almost nothing alike. The 2016 Yes Optimistic is actually more like a little bit softer version of the 2015 Yes Standard (when it was Set back Camrock and not Centered Modern Camber) than the 2011 Optimistic.
Conditions: Everything from messy but good snow groomers to 1.5′ of powder to perfect soft groomers to hard snow in the Sierras and CO.
Riders: James, Peter, Jimbo and a few others
Boots: Burton SLX,Burton Imperial, Burton AMB, Salomon F3.0, Burton Fiend LTD
Bindings: Burton Cartel, Burton Genesis, Union Atlas, Union Contact, Flux SF
Set Up: Centered 23″ wide 15 front -15 back.
Approximate Weight: Felt on the light side of normal.
On Snow Feel: So like I said before it’s a slightly mellowed out version of the Yes Standard with Camrock instead of Modern Camber made to ride the whole mountain and it’s got a very versatile feel. It’s the kind of board that allows you to center it up and ride like an all mountain freestyle board but then it has a little set back and a directional powder riding friendly tail that allows you to get more float than a twin with a centered stance on powder days. That makes it a modern all mountain ride that works with a wide variety of riders. It’s stable underfoot for one footing and flat basing and has a really lively snappy feel to it. It’s got a camber feel to it but because of the medium rocker in the tip/tail it doesn’t catch so it’s a great balance. There is none of that loose auto spin feel you get from many hybrid rocker boards. Also with the 23″ reference stance it’s perfect for us to center up but even better we can set it all the way back using the all the inserts.
Powder: I got 1-1.5 feet of snow with some areas that wind loaded up to 2 feet and set all the way back the Optimistic surfed and floated in powder really well. The -10mm set back is on the Side Cut but the Set Back on the board actually -20mm so if your stance width matches the reference stance you can get back a good bit on the board. That’s actually just -5mm less than the Jones Mountain Twin 157. The Directional Volume Twin tech means the tail is as wide as the nose but just has less volume as it get’s to the end of the board so it sinks more like a tapered board in powder. That tech combined with a mellow rocker makes it a better board for powder than you would think by just looking at the specs. It’s a great idea but my guess is it won’t float like the old Optimistic that had more rocker and over 1″ set back on the board or the Jones Mountain Twin but it’s still going to do a great job. The one positive over the Jones though is the Turn initiation is quicker so it’s going to be easier to make tight turns in the trees or in tight spots.
Turn Initiation: One of the few complaints I had with the Jones Mountain Twin was that it didn’t make short to medium radius turns quickly and the Optimistic has much much quicker turn initiation…well if you know how to make turns correctly. Skidded turns are pretty forgiving but not totally forgiving. The extra camber makes it really springy and dynamic edge to edge. It’s almost too quick edge to edge and feels like a needle. Turning is fun and the way it should be for those who like the mountain a lot. Wide radius turns are good too and this side cut really works for our crew.
Carving: Now carving was a treat too. Not quite as good as the Yes Standard but all of us could really lay into an edge, set it and turn a complete circle. Turning and Carving is pretty important for an all mountain board and where most riders get the majority of their joy from and there is little compromise here. The only complaint would be to see just a little more edge hold because you can’t really lay it out in harder snow. It’s a great good snow carver though and you can really feel the camber hold the carve and then spring you out of a turn.
Speed: Stable and pretty fast. Unless you like to straight line everything then you will have all the speed you will want on the mountain. It’s got a nice balance between being playful and fast.
Uneven Terrain: The new design from SWS has a very good feel in the uneven snow we had and it seems like a great board for those who ride all day into the late messy afternoon.
Edge Hold: Pretty good grip that is perfect for medium snow, doesn’t over grip in soft snow but also can keep it’s edge in harder snow. Not really an ice specialist or a real hard snow stand out and you do have to dial back your carving turns when it’s hard but you won’t slip out.
Flex: Really good flex that allows good buttering without feeling like you are going to butter right on to your ass but also snappy and dynamic between the feet.
Switch: Very good switch and you do feel a little different buttering switch but edge to edge is just like a twin when centered on the side cut. We all like to ride all mountain boards switch a lot on groomer days so this is great for that. What’s also cool is even though the tip/tail are different volume they are the same length so it does make it feel much closer to a true twin compared to other boards that have longer nose.
Jibbing: More at home on jumps or in the pipe but not bad for an all mountain board. Wouldn’t be my first jib board choice and most of us at The Good Ride prefer softer boards but its for sure doable.
Pipe: No pipe but after riding the 15 Standard in the pipe which has very similar specs we know this will be just as fun. It will be forgiving and perfect for those that like to spend a good portion of their day in the pipe or hit it like we do at the end of each run when it’s open.
Jumps: There is really good pop with the new SWS design and it’s really easy to ollie. It’s a twin between the tip/tail so it’s also great for landing switch. Also the camber that extends past the bindings combined with a slow rise rocker holds well when making that awkward landing a bit on the back seat.
So all in all the 2016 Yes Optimistic is one of those boards that will work with a wide variety of riding styles. Other than increasing the -10mm set back to -15 or -20 there isn’t much else we would change about this all mountain board. It’s a very recommendable one board quiver. All Mountain boards are a series of compromises but with the Yes Optimistic you don’t compromise as much across the board.
2011 Yes Optimistic Review
The Yes Optimistic is pretty much the only directional board in YES’s line up. The Optimistic is a solid performer all over the mountain and does an excellent job for a non tapered directional board in the powder. For 2011 YES added a faster base and more of Nideckers high end tech to make this board a lot more aggressive and performance oriented. The best part of the upgrade is the faster base. Just so you know Nidecker is the company who makes these boards and they have been around since 1984. They are one of the best snowboard manufacturers out there but have never gained any recognition in the US. Not only is the Optimistic an all mountain ride it is what you would call an all condition ride as well. There are many hybrid shape snowboards that are great when the conditions are good but you find a boards true qualities when the conditions are less than ideal. The Yes Optimistic creates a consistent ride in almost any condition you would want to ride on. CamRock will have the stability and speed of a camber snowboard with the float of a rocker snowboard. It’s not as catch free as rocker in the middle but is much more catch free than a cambered snowboard. A Former Good Ride Favorite.
Board Size 162 and 159 but the 159 was used all day’s except one.
Rider Specs- 5’10” 200lbs size 9 shoe, 5’7″, 150lbs, Size 9.5 shoe, 5’11” 165lbs Size 9 shoe, 6′ 170 size 10.5 shoe and a few more.
Bindings Used- Burton Co2’s, Flux SF45 aka Feedback, Burton Cartel Re-Flex, Union Force, Union Force SL
Boots: Burton Ions, Celsius Opus, Burton SLX. Burton Ruler, K2 T1 DB
The Yes Optimistic has had a lot of buzz lately because it won a Good Wood All Mountain award and it’s always tough to ride a board that has a lot of high expectations and rave reviews. It can often make you more critical of the board. In the Yes Optimistic’s case this did not happen and the name held true. This is a very stiff aggressive board but for some reason it doesn’t ride 100% that way. We can see why Transworld gave it an all mountain Good Wood Award. So far this year the YES optimistic is my (the editors) favorite board for my riding style. Some of the riders found it a bit too stiff and like a more playful ride but for those who like the stiffer all mountain flex the YES Optimistic is going to be up there at the top. If you can only afford one board for everything, like a more aggressive ride and aren’t that into rails the YES Optimistic might be one of the best choices out there.
On Snow Feel– The YES Optimistic is very fun on groomers of almost any type. It’s fun on hard pack up to day after powder groomers. It’s fast base, hybrid camber and fun shape makes it a good ride carving regular or switch down any groomer. This has a fast, stable, predictible ride. If you are all about groomers then this is a great board. It’s stiff and aggressive but very forgiving with all the rocker in the tip/tail.
Powder: It looks like a directional twin but the CamRock (Nideckers Rocker) is directional or set back to provide more float in deeper powder. The Optimistic also has a decent set back that that seems like it’s 1.75 inches back which is huge. I must be wrong in my measurements because I’ve never seen a directional twin this far back. We have been very lucky this year to get a lot of powder days in and the Optimistic was used on a few of those powder days. The YES Optimistic bordered on excellent when it came to powder. Most of the riders were fairly large and use to riding bigger boards when it gets deep. The 159 Optimistic had an effortless float and a very fast base that made traverses and flat spots easy to negotiate through. Also when we got into thick trees the Optimistic turned very well. Also the Optimistic has a pretty good set back combined with the directional rocker (longer rocker at the nose) that made it incredibly easy to stay a float in deep powder.
Turn Initiation– The Optimistic is very easy to turn but it might be a bit on the Good side of excellent. For a board this stiff its really easy to initiate a turn. It was fun to make short radius or long radius turns and whenever you needed the board to be somewhere it went without much fight.
Speed: We didn’t wax the base like we normally do when we get a board because it looked pretty good out of the factory. We were expecting for it to ride a little slower but this 159 kept pulling away from everyone on the flats. The one thing about this board is it would pick up speed quickly so you had to plan your line in trees well or you might end up eating pine. Not only is the base really really fast but the board is very damp and chatter free for a board with it’s nose/tail sticking up. It’s also very comfortable flat basing in a straight line and you don’t get that squirrelly loose trucks on a skate board feeling. Another thing we noticed is the base seems pretty sturdy.
Weight– The YES Optimistic runs a bit on the heavy side of things but it isn’t terrible. Despite some early problems with the build the YES is very well made and very sturdy. We would like to see it shave off a little weight for next year but it’s hard to really rip.
Edge Hold: The Optimistic holds an edge well in all conditions but that crazy blue east coast ice. Maybe it’s the side cut or the hybrid camber pressing the edges down between the feet but something about the optimistic creates great edge hold. It’s not going to have that crazy bite that many boards with magnetraction side cuts have but it has a very stable feel in most conditions.
Flex: Really stiff at first but after a few days it started to feel more on the medium side of stiff. Still this is right up there with the Capita Black Death in terms of a stiff flex but for some reason it’s more forgiving.
Carving– For a hybrid camber board that is almost like a rocker board the Optimistic is really fun to carve. It’s not as much fun as theRome Anthem or the Burton Custom X. It is still good for a belly scratching turn or two if the mood strikes you. It will be great holding an edge up a pipe wall as well. It still has a better feel on an aggressive carve than most hybrid rocker boards.
Switch: The marketing material of the YES Optimistic is very confusing. They say it’s a directional twin in some places and a directional shape in other. The reality is that the Optimistic is a Directional Twin that has a directional rocker which makes the nose rise up earlier than the tail. What does that mean when riding switch? If you have the Optimistic centered in stance the ride is a little off but if you set the stance back a little it seems more even. Either way you get use to it.
Rails/Jibbing: The YES is almost borderline rough when it comes to rails and jibbing. If this is your thing then the YES Optimistic isn’t your board. It’s just too stiff and will bonk you on any technical rails or jibs. Take a look at the Great Dudes of History for this task.
Pipe: Just the opposite of Rails. The Optimistic is going to be the Editor’s pipe board this year if Mammoth can ever make a damn pipe! What is up with all those stupid landing bags? Where is the efing pipe?! Ok sorry for the rant but our local mountain has not made a pipe yet and they have a ton of snow.
Jumps: For some this board might be too stiff but for others this could be ideal. If you are into back country booters the Optimistic will be one of the best choices out there. The Optimistic has decent pop and can be pretty springy for a board that looks so rocker like.
All in all the YES Optimistic is one hell of an all mountain board that will ride well in almost any condition.